Forum - Tech Help - help - biting off more than computer can chew.. - Messages http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Forum - Tech Help - help - biting off more than computer can chew.. - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:59:50 GMT Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:59:50 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Mon, 16 Jan 2017 12:59:50 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:01:34 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC flipthevideoguy wrote:
Just a FYI I bought a Nvidia gtx 1070 and ran muvizu and got a maybe 10-15% better render time last week. Today I tried a Amd Rx480 4Gb version and Wow!!!! 50% better Render and I can do waaaayy more on screen with no slow down!! I have an amd 9590 chip in my asus board with 16 gigs of ram. originally had a gtx 550ti card. Someone try the Rx480 and see if you get the same Improvement i did.


I wonder if the AMD graphics cards work better in machines with an AMD CPU... I put a GTX-1060 in my AMD machine and although I've seen gains, its not nearly what I expected. It's interesting to hear that you got better results with an AMD GPU on your AMD computer. The GTX 1070 is a powerhouse... especially when paired with an I-7 CPU

I may have to check this out....]]> Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:44:24 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from flipthevideoguy Mon, 16 Jan 2017 01:10:03 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from christian_clavet
For this I have some recommendation to give:

Take this exemple: A GTX970, Here is the power recommendation from the NVidia web site
The site said the card will take 145W, and recommend a 500W power supply for the whole system (they give an example of the system at the bottom).

You need to be careful on the PSU, for this 500W psu, there are some NON-CERTIFIED psu out there that rate at 550W, but they will surely break after a short time of using them in this configuration. What you need is to add a safe margin, because electrical consumption is not linear with a system, it depend on what you do. The higher you get to the limit the more temperature your PSU will produce and more risk to break. (Heat/Cold cycles break circuits/solder over a long period)

What I mean a certified PSU? Certified PSU have also grades (bronze, silver, gold, platinium). The higher the grade, the more solid the PSU will be (stable current, more efficiency), and also will be good for the video card to reduce the symptom of "whine coil". (High pitched sound mostly in high FPS situation)

So to return to the example, you take a no-brand, non certified 550W PSU, install it with a GTX 970, the psu will get VERY hot, and at some point will surely break.

For a GTX970, I would add a margin of at least 100W (to keep the PSU cooler and keep it longer), so for this card, a 600W Bronze certified PSU would work nicely, and LAST.

If you look at the recommended specs, add 100W of margin, and take at least a certified PSU, you should be fine and won't throw money out of the window.]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 18:14:34 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC MrDrWho13 wrote:
I don't think adding more ram will help much. :/
You might want to try rendering in 2 second chunks, or turning down the shadow sharpness.



as an addendum to this observation:
Last night I added a bunch of ram to my system, and afterward I noticed that half of it is accessible by my graphics card. So although its true that adding ram isn't going to provide the same performance boost as a new graphics card, it does seem to give the current graphics card more ram to work with. I haven't given it a workout yet, except to load a few sets that used to take forever to load. (Seems faster to me now. )]]> Sat, 06 Aug 2016 14:06:45 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 PatMarrNC wrote:
I also saw a "life hack" video in which a guy used flexible copper tubing, an aquarium pump, and a picnic cooler/ice chest filled with ice to cycle the ice water thru the copper tubing... (which can be coiled into a relatively flat surface)

His application was to mount the tubing to a fan for the purpose of cooling a room, but it could be used for a platform on which to set a laptop. Or not.

So many crazy @$$ ideas, so little time. ;-)

The problem with that is you might get condensation which is not computer friendly.]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:40:04 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
His application was to mount the tubing to a fan for the purpose of cooling a room, but it could be used for a platform on which to set a laptop. Or not.

So many crazy @$$ ideas, so little time. ;-)]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:38:50 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
Still... those benchmark numbers have a way of getting one's attention....]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:31:24 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:26:02 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from ziggy72 PatMarrNC wrote:
walmart sells a pad you put under laptops to keep them cool. Not sure how it works

A USB cable powers the fans in the pad to cool the underside. Never heard of using coins as heatsinks before! A can of compressed air can work wonders too - blast the cooling ducts at the sides and it will blow away the dust/fluff that's causing the heat build-up.]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 15:24:10 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Thu, 28 Jul 2016 03:16:51 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from AllClass
I think I'm behind the times and have a lot to learn based on your feedback.
Currently not using layers/imports etc to it's potential, i'm basically just adding items/characters etc and working it all around the timeline

Taking 2 hours to render 10 seconds of footage is daunting (considering its part of a 4 min project) but I'm having so much fun it's worth it.
Also seems to not crash now I tried the trick of putting copper coins on my laptop as a heat conductor.
Thanks again everyone]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 01:00:22 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012 PatMarrNC wrote:
how do you determine the power supply requirements?

the specifications are on the box that it came in, but i went to geek squad and got advice, I already had a 750 they said it wouldn't hurt it so I installed it anyways, so far its all good!

other then the 500 would of worked fine.
edited by clayster2012 on 28/07/2016]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2016 00:42:07 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Thu, 28 Jul 2016 00:10:30 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:42:10 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012 PatMarrNC wrote:
do you see a noticeable difference?
Did you have to upgrade your power supply to drive the graphics card?

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useful benchmark /price chart for anybody looking to swap graphics cards
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
edited by PatMarrNC on 27/07/2016


Yep I upgraded the power supply from 500 to a 750]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:34:31 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Did you have to upgrade your power supply to drive the graphics card?

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useful benchmark /price chart for anybody looking to swap graphics cards
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
edited by PatMarrNC on 27/07/2016]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 23:19:00 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012
i had a AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series
edited by clayster2012 on 27/07/2016]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:29:38 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012 PatMarrNC wrote:
but that was before I upgraded my computer,


so... what did you get? We all wanna know...

(total specs)



lol.. if you want to know, it isn't really much though but ok

GRAPHICS CARD Nvidia GeForce GTX 970


PROCESSOR Intel Core i7-6700K
RAM 16GB

STORAGE 1TB, 7,200-rpm hard drive
edited by clayster2012 on 27/07/2016]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 21:25:30 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC but that was before I upgraded my computer,

so... what did you get? We all wanna know...

(total specs)]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 19:20:01 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:34:25 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from clayster2012 edited by clayster2012 on 27/07/2016
edited by clayster2012 on 27/07/2016]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:15:33 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from ziggy72 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:14:13 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:42:52 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from PatMarrNC
Or, you could divide your characters up between 5 layers so each one has only 4 characters in it.. then turn off all but one layer at a time, and record the video for that layer only. You can rejoin all the layers in your video editor later in post production.

group the characters in layers by distance from the camera.. all the closest characters in the same layer and all the farthest characters in their own layer and likewise those in the middle. That way when you combine the videos for each layer in your editor, the ones in the back will be eclipsed by the foreground characters, as expected.]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:36:29 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from MrDrWho13 You might want to try rendering in 2 second chunks, or turning down the shadow sharpness.]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 10:03:23 GMT http://www.muvizu.com/Forum/topic5824-help--biting-off-more-than-computer-can-chew.aspx Message from AllClass
20 characters,
x1 camera (moving)
full ambient shadowing
x2 lasers effect
x1 smoke effect
x1 roman candle

My laptop crashed trying to render this beast. I am too poor to buy fancy graphic cards and computers, but AM thinking of adding more RAM.
Just wondering if any tech gurus know if this will actually make any difference when rendering? I know the graphics card needs to be improved but it crashed due to limited threads..
I really don't want to have to sacrifice/strip back the footage so would be hugely grateful for any tips or feedback.]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:42:04 GMT