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17/10/2016 04:55:54

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
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Posts: 1988


Sorry I'm so crap at this
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17/10/2016 17:18:58

drewiMuvizu mogulExperimental user
drewi
Posts: 306 		Entertaining....felt the agony at the end .
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17/10/2016 18:01:25

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		WooHoo! Thanks for this, Ziggy! Can't wait to dive in! You couldn't have produced this at a better time since I just bought 3D coat and I'm a bit bogged down in the learning curve.
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17/10/2016 18:22:10

Farscaper
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Posts: 35 		Ha. If we were good we wouldn't be looking at tutorials. As long as you are one step ahead of me I've got something to learn. As it is, you are miles ahead. Good job and thanks for taking the time to do it for us.
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17/10/2016 23:42:48

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		Glad it's of some help. Parts 2 & 3 should be up by the end of the week.
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18/10/2016 00:16:23

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		I liked the representation of yourself and immediately thought it would be fun to create an ongoing saga starring the active forum members. Each person could create and contribute a Muvizu character for him/herself... then we could take turns making episodes that skewer one another.

Or not. Maybe it would be better to just remain friends. ;-)
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18/10/2016 00:39:37

Farscaper
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Posts: 35 		But imagine the indignity of being insulted or otherwise attacked by some avatar wearing the very outfit you yourself created. It would almost be self-flagellation if we weren't certain that the tailor could surely have the skills to needle the wearer.

And how fair would it be if I somehow created a Zoidberg avatar and tried to interact in some way with ziggy72? I'd feel like an idiot or 二死了。
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18/10/2016 02:55:57

Rocque
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Posts: 359 		Sketch Up, 3D Coat, and more. I got as far as 6 minutes and felt my head spinning since I have no clue how you are doing any of that. It looks like fun, but I better stick with my day job for now, because this is way out of my league.

Keep making the tutorials maybe one day I will have an idea of what it is all about. Maybe another time I will try the next 6 minutes.
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18/10/2016 14:17:42

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		@ Rocque 3D Coat is a 'heavy' modelling program, for a far simpler, easier to understand (and free) introduction to 3D start with Sketchup. From there you can find your way to more advanced programs like blender if you need.

@ Farscaper I know what you mean - someone could interfere with my tentacles, and that's not cool. Still, at least I'm helping...

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18/10/2016 19:44:29

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		Ziggy,

I just watched thru this for the first time... awesome tutorial... I appreciate the time you've put into this!

One problem with all tutorials is tailoring it to the stupidity level of your audience... and in my case you can't under estimate the depths of my ignorance. You do a good job of explaining the reasoning behind your process choices, but you assume we know enough about the software to follow along with your menu selections. As a newbie, I lost track of your menu selections almost immediately, and stayed lost throughout the video.

It isn't even obvious to me which of the buttons I'd select at startup to access the room you're working in. But then, my first watch was without having 3D-coat open trying to follow along.

I'll watch several more times with the software open, and try to duplicate your steps by stopping the video to see where your mouse is clicking. You've done an excellent job of creating these tutorials and now it's on the audience to exercise due diligence in following along
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19/10/2016 02:20:49

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		The room I'm in and the tool I'm using are highlighted in orange at all times (and I tried to remember to name them as I used them each time). Also, these videos are not for complete noobs, only noobs They assume this isn't the very first time you've ever used 3D Coat (there are much simpler tutorials for that). Also remember that 3D Coat tends to 'jump' move the tool menu (on the left) so sometimes it hides what I've selected - can't do much about that. The Room selections are fixed, along the top left (Paint, Tweak, Retopo, UV, Sculpt, Render). I spend almost all of this first tutorial in the Sculpt room. Almost all of the 2nd one is in the Retopo room, and the 3rd is mainly in the Paint room. If you think this one is difficult, you're not going to like the 2nd one... EEK!
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19/10/2016 05:18:17

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		I shouldn't have made my last post because it must have sounded critical of your tutorial, which is very good. I think I just got blindsided by one of those life moments when I was forced to realize that even when I'm being spoon fed, information doesn't sink in like it once did. Your tutorial provides everything I need to figure this out, I'm just going to have to work harder than the young man trapped inside this old body wanted to work.

Thanks again for doing this. I realize all the more that without some help I'd be totally dead in the water here.
edited by PatMarrNC on 19/10/2016
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19/10/2016 15:36:45

urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		Ziggy had similar reactions when he first opened it and I emailed him a bunch of screenshots and explained the rooms to sort of guide him to figure out where to start, but you will need to go through their tutorials to show what buttons do what. It will sink in.

Your basically going to need to go from room to room and learn each room starting with the sculpting room which is the entire purpose of 3dcoat is to make "stuff". The basic order ignoring all the other things you can do on the side (like painting stuff made in another software etc) is scuplting, retopo, UVmap/bake, painting. This is where knowing the theory behind it helps..because no matter the software the basic process is the same its just the interface that changes. If you know how to do all this crud already then for me it took about a week and i was making my first character.

The reality is that no matter what software your starting with it makes no sense if you open it up its just that we tend to forget the moments of initially openening up stuff and not knowing what buttons does what.

I remember saying stuff to people when I was younger and more sarcastic that osmosis diffusion doesn't work that there is going to be a need to open a book or manual or watch an instructional video or twenty.

My grandmother used to tear pages out of a prayer book when i was a kid and put it under my pillow to learn. I never learned it LOL. (she was an interesting person very old country and extremely superstitious).


Anyhow eventually your going to need to learn some theory there is no way you can learn otherwise. Once you learn the theory picking up another software package is a breeze. As someone who is you know "old" well "older" learning is a good thing .. never stop learning unless you want to go senile Big Grin

excercise those brain cells to keep them all resilient I guess its like eating liver or brussel sprouts .. "its good for you" (i like brussel sprouts though but i know a lot of people dont lol)
edited by urbanlamb on 19/10/2016
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19/10/2016 16:25:06

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		What He Said Isn't there a 'what she said' emoticon? Anyway, here's part 2 :



Everyone should always start learning 3D Coat from the company who made it (Pilgway) first - their tutorials start from absolute noob :

http://3dcoat.com/learn/

...and then watch other peoples tutorials once you understand the terminology and fundamentals.
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19/10/2016 20:00:56

urbanlamb
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Posts: 1786 		dang sexist emoticons Stick Out Tongue
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19/10/2016 23:08:32

tonyob67
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Posts: 211 		Ziggy, thanks for the tutorial, I will go for the very very noobie tutorials first, but I have some questions...

What is the version I have to download?
Do I also need to install a plugin?
What is the format when exporting the model, ASE?

Thanks you in advance
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20/10/2016 01:15:09

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		In answer to your questions Tony :

3D coat is just 3D coat - download the 30 day demo and, if you like it, you pay to register it to unlock it (kind of like Muvizu). The demo has it's model exporting functions disabled.

No additional plugins needed.

3D Coat exports OBJ files, so I use blender to convert those to FBX for import into Muvizu (covered in the tutorials). ASE isn't much used by serious 3D programs, to be honest. There is an ASE exporter you can download for blender, but I could never get it to work right, so I stick with FBX. 3DC also can export LWO, STL (for 3D printers), PLY, DAE and WRL (no idea what uses that). I can also export FBX right out of the program, but it doesn't assign the textures for some reason so I don't use the option.
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24/10/2016 14:02:25

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		And finally...

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24/10/2016 15:12:44

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		Thanks Ziggy... haven't had time to look at these in depth yet, but I sure do appreciate the fact that you took the time to share your hard-earned knowledge! When I get to them I'm sure they will be a big help!
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11/11/2016 17:38:05

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
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Posts: 1738 		-BUMP-
heh. bumping this back to the front page so I can find it more easily
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