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18/07/2016 19:50:57

eugenecheese
eugenecheese
Posts: 30 		My Little Donkey. Two walking men under a donkey suit, like a pantomime horse !
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18/07/2016 19:52:29

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		That's excellent, eugenecheese! I think this is a good option for people wanting any sort of large farmyard animals.
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18/07/2016 21:34:53

ziggy72Muvizu mogulExperimental user
ziggy72
Posts: 1988 		LOL that is funny. You could attach hooves as well, that'd look good.
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18/07/2016 21:59:10

mindiflyth
mindiflyth
Posts: 77 		That is so clever! That opens up possibilities for dogs, horses, elephants, all kinds of things. I suppose you could keep adding guys to the train, and create six-legged insects or monsters with lots of legs.

For people trying to come up with workarounds like this, it may help to think of Muvizu as being more like cosplay or puppetry than animation, in some ways. You can't actually change the shape of these characters, but you can add stuff on and/or make some parts invisible. I wonder if there'd be some way to create "stilts" for the characters. That would open up a lot of possibilities. You could even give them cosplay-style animal legs.

Some of the work here (like Clayster's stormtrooper helmets and stuff) have made me think it would be possible to create "masks" for the characters, so they would have totally new heads and you wouldn't be stuck with the Muvizu character designs. The main drawback there is that as far as I know those heads would be frozen, and the only way to change them would be to do a morph in editing or to change them between shots. (Is there a way to add an animated 3D element to the Muvizu program? Could you create a 3D head that had its own animation cycle, and attach that to a Muvizu character?)
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18/07/2016 22:10:33

MrDrWho13Muvizu mogulExperimental user
MrDrWho13
Posts: 2220 		mindiflyth, Dreeko make a couple of FBX models to completely change the face, but this is pretty much the limit of facial customisation that can be animated.
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18/07/2016 22:32:11

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		mindiflyth wrote:

Some of the work here (like Clayster's stormtrooper helmets and stuff) have made me think it would be possible to create "masks" for the characters, so they would have totally new heads and you wouldn't be stuck with the Muvizu character designs.


yes Mindiflyth, that's totally possible. All you have to do is design the head in such a way that the mouth is still exposed. Then adjust the location of the eyes so they are outside the mask. It is the mouth and eyes that are animatable facial features, it doesn't matter that everything else is static.

The squirrel in this video has a whole-head mask:


The concept and head design can be ANYTHING as long as you leave the mouth uncovered and use standard Muvizu eyes.


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edited by PatMarrNC on 18/07/2016
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18/07/2016 23:26:17

Rocque
Rocque
Posts: 359 		eugenecheese wrote:
My Little Donkey. Two walking men under a donkey suit, like a pantomime horse !


I have no idea how you created this, but it is very very cute! I have trouble getting one character to walk and can't even imagine how you got the 2 characters to be in sync. It is a fun idea and I see others are already running with it. Thanks for sharing.
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18/07/2016 23:33:09

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		eugene, two questions:

1) how did you keep the characters inside the donkey from having their heads stick out the top?

2) if you kept the inside characters small enough not to stick out, how did you get the legs so stout?


here's a similar experiment:



I was shooting for 4 legs plus head movement... in retrospect it should also be possible to get animatable mouth and eyes depending on how the head attachment is made. Eyes are static on this demo.
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18/07/2016 23:47:53

eugenecheese
eugenecheese
Posts: 30 		The Heads dont stick out of the top because I made sure the "donkey Suit" was higher than the heads. There are Hooves, But they had to be very chunky to hide the feet. The arms of the characters are the worst problem. It would be great to be able to stop them moving !
To sync the walk, put one man in front of the other, then place an object where you click on for them to walk to, then afterwards delete the object !
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18/07/2016 23:54:57

Rocque
Rocque
Posts: 359 		PatMarrNC wrote:
yes Mindiflyth, that's totally possible. All you have to do is design the head in such a way that the mouth is still exposed. Then adjust the location of the eyes so they are outside the mask. It is the mouth and eyes that are animatable facial features, it doesn't matter that everything else is static.

I am seeking clarification that you can move the eyes and they still blink and move to look around?
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18/07/2016 23:58:13

Rocque
Rocque
Posts: 359 		eugenecheese wrote:
The Heads dont stick out of the top because I made sure the "donkey Suit" was higher than the heads. There are Hooves, But they had to be very chunky to hide the feet. The arms of the characters are the worst problem. It would be great to be able to stop them moving !
To sync the walk, put one man in front of the other, then place an object where you click on for them to walk to, then afterwards delete the object !



I love the cow! Wow. This is great. Thanks for sharing how you accomplished the walking. I know I do not have the patience to work with anything like that right now. It is so much fun to see what you are doing though. Maybe one day I will attempt something fun like that.
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19/07/2016 00:13:54

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		any chance you'd put this in the store so we can examine it & see how you did it?
edited by PatMarrNC on 19/07/2016
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19/07/2016 00:16:40

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		Rocque wrote:
PatMarrNC wrote:
yes Mindiflyth, that's totally possible. All you have to do is design the head in such a way that the mouth is still exposed. Then adjust the location of the eyes so they are outside the mask. It is the mouth and eyes that are animatable facial features, it doesn't matter that everything else is static.

I am seeking clarification that you can move the eyes and they still blink and move to look around?


YEP! .. watch the commentator squirrel in the demo I posted ... you'll have to look past the glasses but you can see that the eyes are blinking. I didn't add any pupil movements , but I could have.
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19/07/2016 01:39:31

bigwallyMuvizu mogulExperimental user
bigwally
Posts: 399 		eugenecheese wrote:
My Little Donkey. Two walking men under a donkey suit, like a pantomime horse !
Love it! Love everything you do, man! Keep it up.
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19/07/2016 02:29:33

primaveranz
primaveranz
Posts: 520 		Excellent!
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19/07/2016 08:57:42

eugenecheese
eugenecheese
Posts: 30 		I made this animation ages ago. It extensively uses all the techniques discussed here. All my voices, all my models. I, Sadly, got very little reaction when I first posted it.

edited by eugenecheese on 19/07/2016
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19/07/2016 13:03:20

PatMarrNCMuvizu mogul
PatMarrNC
Posts: 1738 		AWESOME adaptation of the book's tea party scene....

I like all of your head attachments Eugene! nicely done with good textures.... I can't imagine why your video wasn't well received the first time around, unless there was a lot of forum activity at the time and it got forced off the "front page"

regarding your walking donkey: am I correct in thinking that one of the inside characters is wearing the suit as an attachment? If so, which attachment point? (hair, hat, ...?)
edited by PatMarrNC on 19/07/2016
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19/07/2016 18:52:13

eugenecheese
eugenecheese
Posts: 30 		Yes, The front Man is wearing the suit as a HAT !
Is it possible to put up my "Alice" animations on Muvizu again ? In total there is about 30 minutes of them. (3 complete chapters, will ALL the dialogue from the book) I wanted to do the whole book, but got no response from anybody wanting to help. I would do the script, characters, and voices. I need somebody to do the Animation, Sets, Titles etc.
The whole project would be movie-length 90- 120 minutes.
"Alice In Wonderland" has NEVER been produced in FULL as an Animation before.
edited by eugenecheese on 19/07/2016
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20/07/2016 04:42:18

Rocque
Rocque
Posts: 359 		Amazing and awesome are words to describe what you have done with Alice. I can see how you have spent a lot of time on this, and it is definitely a labor of love. There is no way I can help you with it. I just think of Johnny Depp and Disney when looking at your animation, and you have captured a great feel for following the book. The dialog is done very well, but at times a bit difficult for me to understand, so I would probably go for closed captioning on viewing more of it.

Never give up, and I hope you find motivated Muvizuers with the time and energy to help you with this.
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